Today, we talk about the practice of design, and how designers who learn to work with and understand technology can bring a humanistic, creative perspective to technology that can truly transform our understanding of what it can do. I've long believed that advanced technology can be beautiful, poetic, and philosophical in nature. In fact, that's what's called for in an age where tech shapes our lives, takes an increasingly greater part in creative work, and even makes decisions for us.


That's why it was so rewarding to sit down with Che-Wei Wang and Taylor Levy, the married couple behind CW&T. They've managed to carve out the space for their own creative, almost contemplative practice.


Their studio, CW&T, is an award-winning design practice creating mind-bending products. Over the last 13 years, their work has spanned from interactive software to human scale tools that enhance our relationships to work, life, and time. They center around an iterative process of sketching, prototyping, testing, writing code, machining parts, and building each addition themselves to assess their intuitions around improving everyday experiences. Their projects range from devices that alter the perception of time, an electronics curriculum for artists, an astrological compass for space travelers, to objects engineered to last multiple generations.


Wang and Levy lecture extensively, and they teach courses on time, electronics, hardware, programming, inflatables, and morphology at Pratt Institute, New York University, and the School for Poetic Computation. In 2022, they won the National Design Award for Product Design from Cooper Hewitt.


We spoke in mid-November 2022, and I was excited to talk to them after I saw some of their more thought-provoking pieces engaging with time. I was a little concerned with my ability to interview two people at the same time. Usually, I tend to go deep with one person and I wasn't sure how the format would work, but as usually happens with creative people, the conversation took a life of its own and was a delight.




In this conversation we talk about:

  • Being a couple who works together.
  • Balancing parenthood with business and creative design work.
  • The gratitude they feel for being able to have an ongoing creative practice.
  • Their creative principles.
  • Why they insist on building what they want to see.
  • What does the phrase "buy lots of lottery tickets" mean to them?
  • Their origin story.
  • What did Che-Wei learn while fixing his dad's typewriter as a kid?
  • What did Taylor realize about The Beatles?
  • How did they meet and become a couple?
  • Their creative projects, including Time Since Launch and Solid State Watch.
  • The School for Poetic Computation.
  • Generative design, and how it can change designers' work.
  • The importance of learning to understand time.
  • And how to make room for your creative practice.


We have some amazing episodes lined up for you with thinkers, designers, makers, authors, and activists answering questions like:


  • How can we program and control human cells?
  • Why did the stoic philosophers think anger was the most destructive of emotions, and how did they suggest fighting it?
  • Why are more and more people around the world turning to coliving communities as an attractive idea?
  • And what do most people still need to understand about transgender and non-binary individuals?


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And now, without further ado, let's jump right in with Che-Wei Wang and Taylor Levy.




[8:09] Life in the Present

[12:17] Early Childhood Lessons

[16:00] A Journey to Design

[23:09] Love at First Sight

[27:42] CW&T

[31:22] Time Since Launch

[38:13] Solid State Watch

[42:21] Project Principles

[47:46] The School for Poetic Computation

[51:49] Generative Design

[56:18] A Short Sermon